parked domain vs. host header?

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (HC Team)

Mon, 06 Jun 2011 05:46:57 GMT

Host header implementation has been reviewed in build11 find out detail in this link http://forum.hostingcontroller.com/tm.aspx?m=23544

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (HC Staff)

Wed, 22 Dec 2010 02:59:20 GMT

Right now Host header is a complete solution to add only Host Header in current domain as well as use for parking domain.
The point is it don't create dns zone file if you add Host Header using current domain name. For example
domain = yourdomain.com
Now if you want to add a host header entry i.e " Mail2 "
mail2.yourdomain.com, in this case dns zone file will not create , infact HC will only add a Cname entry in the existing domain Yourdomain.com

New zone file will only create if you use host header for parking a domain. For example
domain = yourdomain.com
now if you add a host header like
mail2.newdomain.com

Anyway after brief discussion with management we will change the implementation of Host header where it will not be use for park domain.
then
Host Header : It will only be use to add host header in the current website (without new dns zone file )

Parked Domain : Its implementation will remain same.

If anyone has any confusion with that then please feel free to discuss.

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (renhack)

Tue, 14 Dec 2010 04:24:55 GMT

The DNS checkbox would be great.

It's a problem because it is unneeded records at times. Here is a case where we run into issues with this and have to manually modify a servers host header.

Client at has a site at clientdomain.com the same site also needs to have a host header so it responds to clientdomain.servicedomain.com. In our case it needs to run a script that can only use the servicedomain.com address. This same script reports back to webservice.servicedomain.com and fails because the server now thinks our DNS is authoritative for servicedomain.com because HC added DNS zones into the DNS server.

This is not an uncommon situation now. This particular site is part of a facebook app cluster where facebook whitelists *.servicedomain.com and all interaction with facebook has to come from that domain. It would be the same situation if any of our customers now tried to email @servicedomain.com. The email would be rejected since we are not the mx for that domain.

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (watson)

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:32:12 GMT

I don't know what issue would be if host header create dns zone file. But sound good to me if panel provide option allow/disallow dns zone creation.

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (agermose)

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:28:45 GMT

ah, yes, but my point is that this is actually exacly what "parked domain" does / also does - so you have two names for the same feature and the "host header" does more than the name implies.

I understand that experienced webadmins would need to learn the "new name", but its not like Im at all suggesting that the feature "parked domain" should not be there.

You could even do it like this - simply have a checkbox when adding a host header "do you need DNS zone". No name confusion, backwards comp. and you would get the solution where you would not need/want the DNS zone.

actually the problem is extended because in the current implementation its not just adding the host header you actually asked for but also the 2. level domain

if you enter "tmp" and "myresellerdomain.com" its adding both "tmp.myresellerdomain.com" AND "myresellerdomain.com" AND the dns zone for "myresellerdomain.com" - and all the issues you can imagine comming from this.

anyway

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (watson)

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:04:25 GMT

Mostly a hosted companies have multiple domain extension .com,.net, .co,.uk.net,.biz etc
they simply add them using host header under the primary domain like
www.domain.biz
domain.biz
www.domain.ca
domain.ca
www.domain.co.uk
domain.co.uk

If there is no dns zone then these domains will not work.

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (agermose)

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:51:09 GMT

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watson

No way, HC please don't change the host header implementation. My customers are using it since HC6.1 version if you change it then it would be difficult for me to answer their question.

can I ask - how are they using it?

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (andy)

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:09:08 GMT

Yeah no changes please

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (watson)

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:01:39 GMT

No way, HC please don't change the host header implementation. My customers are using it since HC6.1 version if you change it then it would be difficult for me to answer their question.

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (renhack)

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:54:27 GMT

For host header we dont want any kind of zone file. No DNS entry or modification at all.

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (HC Team)

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:45:52 GMT

Both host header and parked domain their functionality is almost same. A minor change is with host header you can add a domain with any name i.e www2.domain.com (unique name just for example )
But with Parked domain you can't add a entry with www2 (unique name )

Parked domain feature was included in HC few months ago by receiving many requests from HC customer.

Right now I am afraid we can't either remove host header option or change option to create the zone file. Since large number of HC customer using this feature. Few customer request don't justify to change the implementation.

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (renhack)

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:21:22 GMT

I agree. Host headers should not be adding DNS records. Thats what parking is for. We often use an outside development domain on sites. We assign it so the site can be viewed while in development. HC does not provide DNS for our development domain (we only use it in certain situations). We dont need the DNS, we just need the hostheader.

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (agermose)

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 01:09:24 GMT

They are not totally the same - they work as expected when the domain you are handling is already your own.

if you have a website "mydomain.com" and you want it to also handle "tmp.mydomain.com" and you add this as a extra "host header" it does what you would expect. It adds a hostheader to the IIS or apache server and updates YOUR already EXISTING dns zone file.

This cannot be different.

The point where HC and my ideas/views differ are on the case where its a different domain than the "main domain of the website" - in this case "mydomain.com".

And I would like to point out - im not saying its a bug - HC decided it should work in one way, Im just raising the question is it logical and should it be like this or could we request a "make over" :)

my logic is this. If I want the site to have a alias/handle also an other domain "my2domain.com" then I go to "park a domain" and then HC handles both as where they one. It automaticly adds host headers and creates a DNS zone and it shows up in the DNS zone list and I can handle both. Nice (except for the missing aliasing of MAIL - hint, hint, hint - when will this be in HC!? :D )

BUUUUUT, but, but... when I want to add a host header... just listen to the words :) "add a host header" - then please just add a host header. Again, if I wanted it to both add a host header AND create a DNS zone I would have used the other function in HC - park a domain.
HC has a "add a host header" so Im sort of expecting it to do just that - add a host header and nothing else. Maybe its just my logic?

Problem is - "add JUST a host header" is VERY usefull so its a real shame its not "add JUST a host header" but an other name for parked domain.

So Im hoping to raise debate on this function and maybe HC will change it into TWO different fuctions like this to make it more usable.

So, not to scare off HC - its not a bugreport, its a hope of raising an interest in changing the implementation to a more meaning full implementation that actually logically also lives up to the name of the feature :)

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (dexter737)

Sat, 11 Dec 2010 06:49:45 GMT

Thanks

Re:parked domain vs. host header? (patrick)

Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:48:09 GMT

But if you have a function where you say "im going to add a host header for you, just let me know what host header you want", then it should do JUST that - add a host header, DONT add/create a DNS zone.

But Agermose if we create only host header under a domain in a IIS without making its entry in the dns zone file then how it suppose to work.
For example I need to add webmail host header in the domain to access the mail url and make HOST A entry in the domain dns zone to make it workable. Without having entry in the dns zone file webmail.domain.com will not work.

Also I will wait for HC response if they also confirm that Host Header & Parked domain are totally same then they should remove one of them.